About the Artist
Pete Muller is a multi-talented singer-songwriter, pianist, and quantitative hedge fund manager based in Santa Barbara and New York. A Princeton math graduate, he founded PDT Partners before pursuing music seriously. His sound blends Americana, rock, and soul, often performed with his band, The Kindred Souls. In November 2025, he released his seventh studio album, One Last Dance, recorded at Real World Studios, following successful releases like More Time (2024) and Dissolve (2019)

Pete Muller
About the Episode (Episode 118)
Pete Muller: The Harmony of Math, Music, and Human Connection
Pete Muller is a man who defies easy categorization. A pioneer in quantitative investing and the creator of the New York Times Variety Crossword, Muller also thrives as a sophisticated singer-songwriter whose work explores the complexities of the human heart. With a discography spanning several albums, including the acclaimed Spaces and his latest release, More Than This, Muller’s music blends soulful piano melodies with lyrics that probe the depths of connection and vulnerability. On this episode of Curious Goldfish, Muller joins Jason English to discuss why the "glory days" are less interesting than the mysteries of tomorrow.
The Energy of the Future
Muller holds a firm philosophy on staying vibrant: curiosity is the antidote to stagnation. He pushes back against the trap of living in past achievements, regardless of how monumental they were. "I want to be energized and curious and doing new stuff all the time," he notes, emphasizing that the most compelling artists are those excited about what is happening next rather than what they did twenty years ago. For Muller, creativity is a forward-motion machine fueled by the desire to remain a "student of the world."
Live Music as a Sacred Service
Beyond his own performances at legendary venues like Eddie’s Attic, Muller is a passionate advocate for the survival of independent music spaces. Through his philanthropic efforts, he supports the "magical" ecosystem where artists and audiences meet. Whether it is a stadium or a local tavern, he views the act of someone bearing their soul through original music as a vital human necessity. "If I can make the world a little bit of a better place with my resources, what else am I gonna spend the money on?" he asks, highlighting a deep commitment to the communal power of sound.
Songwriting as Emotional Problem Solving
Despite his background in the logical world of mathematics, Muller views songwriting as an essential way to process the "gray spaces" of life. He discusses the therapeutic nature of the craft, noting that writing provides a unique way to gain perspective on transitions and personal growth. By aligning with the soul rather than the ego, he creates music that feels both intimate and universal, proving that whether he is solving a complex equation or a lyrical bridge, the goal is always to find a deeper truth.
Would you like me to draft a series of "Curiosity Journal" prompts based on Pete’s philosophy of looking forward?